Motion Controller Sickness?

Quirk

I decided to see if anyone else was a little sceptical of the new and existing motion controllers on the market.

So we have the Wii remote (released w/ console) 2 controllers

Kinect for the 360 (to be around US$150) no Controllers
W-Kinect is scheduled to launch worldwide starting with North America on November 4, 2010-W

Playstation Move for the PS3 (with eye camera) 2 controllers
W-PlayStation Move is slated for launch in the PAL region and most Asian markets on September 15, 2010, in North America on September 19, 2010, and in Japan on October 21, 2010.-W

So what are the pro's and con's to these new 'must have' technologies.
Are they really going to work as well as they should or in the Wii's case do they?

The Wii was supposed to get us fit and active, but instead people waggled rather then swung. The same result could be achieved in most instances with a little shake rather then the large swing, I think they thought would happen.

The Kinect? Another thing to tax the 360's cooling systems, more red rings around I think.

The Move, basically coping the Wii, but rather better, using the glowing obs on the end for the best 3D measurements with the least amount of effort from the console.

But how long will it be before we put these controllers down and reach for the most likely better original's in the PS3 and 360 controllers. Have you seen how you play a FPS game with the move? You line them up like a gun barrel, the two controllers end to end, stand up and mimic using a gun. No I don't know about you but I don't want to stand up for ages playing a shooter, I would have to lift my Tv up about a foot just to be able to play the game.

Please share your opinions and news if you want to. Or you experiences with either of the three, if you have used them at the E3 or when they come out.

Bold W's are quotes from Wikipedia

Asymmetric

tomdawes;187735 wrote
i'm too old to answer this in any way q - technology is now passing me by [and just WAIT til it happens to you!!]!!! :onion01:

Lol, sometimes I wish I was immortal. XD

Asymmetric

akibastyle;190705 wrote
[FONT=Century Gothic] like the dlc content for Dragon Age: Origins :happy:[/FONT]

Still rockin' that game eh? I let go of it a long time ago. Bioware did not really absorb me in that game as it did in some of its others.

Asymmetric

nnnmmm;191075 wrote
For me it was the $40 dlc that stopped me.

Lol, that will do it too.

TheWolf

i'm too old to answer this in any way q - technology is now passing me by [and just WAIT til it happens to you!!]!!! :onion01:

TheWolf

they say that some of those "games" are therapudic on the wii - so maybe i should look into that for gentle exercises to help with my back, hips, knees etc!!!!

akibastyle

[FONT=Century Gothic]I already hate using the analog sticks on my ps3 and never bought in to the wii gimmick... But my girl's family loves it since Nintendo has more family-oriented games. Just Sony and Microsoft trying to get into the action-.- I'm spending my money elsewhere, like the dlc content for Dragon Age: Origins :happy:[/FONT]

akibastyle

[FONT=Century Gothic]The psn dlc is broken down in sections so you don't buy anything that you don't want, But besides the Warden's Keep dlc(14.99), everything else is around 5.99 or so(although I was pissed it only took me 8 hrs to beat the Awakenings expansion-.-) But back to topic fellas:P[/FONT]

nnnmmm

While I can definitely respect the technology that goes into it, I think motion controls are one of the worst ideas in gaming history. This may sound old school but I like buttons and dpad movements and I hate having games get delayed so they can support controls I will never use.

nnnmmm

For me it was the $40 dlc that stopped me.

nnnmmm

Don't get me wrong. I loved DA Origins a lot but things like Shivering Aisles (Oblivion) and The Ballad of Gay Tony (GTA4) where only $20 and they were like another game.

Hentai_Mark_San

LOL good point wolf.... as for me I'm an old gamer. I don't like the idea to be "forced" to jump around move the controlls so much and things like that.

What I found usefull is the vibration function so you feel if your char is hit or in race games you hit an object but the way the industy wants the player to interact (looking at the wii controls for instance) nah that is not for me.

If I want a workout I train the way I see fit... if I want to play I want to sit tight without hmm how do you say that in English "rumhampeln" ah well hope you got my point LOL

If this method of controlling device turns out to be exclusive that you can't play the "usual" way (mouse keyborad, pad without the funky wii nunchaku whatever thing) then I'm getting out of there...

Hentai_Mark_San

Quirk;221381 wrote
I remember on one of the Time crisis games on Psone, my brother got a handgun controller, it was shaped exactly like a normal handgun except plastic.

yes that is the right way to control a game a shoter in this case you can sit still and relaxed while the gaming fun is better due to the improved way the game can be controlled... unlike the uncool stuff we see now that needs you to do some kind of unwanted "workout" to be able to play a game.... utterly crap.

Guess it started with the Nintendo64 they first invented the "rumble pack" which was an optional attachable thing that went into the controller powered by 2 AAA batteries LOL... that was okay but after that like we see the stuff today it's getting down... analog playing is okay still the old digital way has some unbeatable bonus of beeing the most direct input possible... and to move through the appartment to play a game infront your TV is just wrong....

I quit gaming infront of the PC/console and get my basketball and play outsides, bad luck gaming industry you pi??ed me off to much now and lost a good customer haha... jezzz LOL

Hentai_Mark_San

Someone remembers the NeGom Pad from Namco?
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[/spoiler]Was pretty expensive back then but that was really an awesome piece of hardware I think... instead of the tiny analog stick you could twist the controller both ways and the red buttons also analog (perfect for racing games)... they had a far longer way to press down... ps2 controllers you had only 2 millimeter that needs a very cautious handling... not very cool... while the first analog stick controllers at the psone were utterly crap (far to sensitive) they improved them at the ps2 and ps3...

So the namco controller displayed in the pic didn't see much support later on... in my opinion that one was a real improvement for the player unlike today controllers you didn't need to jump around infront of your game or move like crazy you even had more control than with the 3d sticks pad we have as standard today, due to longer ways you were able to pinpoint the movement just perfectly... long story I cut it...

With the end of the psone that controler pretty much died... only one ps2 game supported that (by accident LOL since it wasn't advertised on the case of the game) world rally championship (2001) hehe

Or this one
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[/spoiler]This thing was huge... first I thought thats INSANE LOL. But I tried it out as a buddy gave me the opportunity... and wow superb! Also high in price...

Both sticks were analog all buttons digital and for arcade/flight sims. it was the real deal... (Ace Combat series anyone hehe)... there was a switch to make the stick digital only... nice you could switch back to analog anytime!

Funny is I played Metal Gear Solid (psone) with this one analog and wirth the coolie hat at the right stick (the cone) you had access to the inventory and all... splendid gameplay that was... all dead now too what a shame...

I bought both now I can give it to a museum haha.

Quirk

Pfft! Back to topic!
Anyway, who remembers on the PS1 you didn't even need to use the analog sticks? I remember thinking, that they will soon get rid of these little crap things. BUt I like them now, now that you actually have to use them.
Because new games use the d-pad as inventory controls instead od directional, you have to use the analog controls.
I remember playing all the way through the first disc on Metal Gear solid and never using the sticks.
Damn I wish they did that now, imagine a game that is so big, you have two discs. of course I never got to the 2bd disc, we had a chipped PS1 and every game was burnt, sadly disc two didn't work. Arrrgh! What happened Snake?

Any way I hate the thought of having to move during gameplay. I have my own iron lung that breathes for me, a tube that feeds and hydrates me. And the need to swallow and blink surgically removed

Quirk

I'm with you guys. I'm 19 and love games. Me and my mate both like to sit and play the games with normal controllers. PS3 have the Dual shock vibrate function and it is sweet. I remember in Metal Gear Solid 1 and 4, Mantis would take it over and it would vibrate by itself, magik! And then you would have to swap the memory cards so he couldn't control you. It was funny when the guy rang you on the codec and said snake swap the memory cards and you'll break his control.

When I'm gaming, I'm not pressing X to fire I'm pressing fire, as good games suck you in and you feel involved. If I have to jump around and mimic the actions of a character to induce them to jump or fire, well my room will be wrecked and it will be loud, me jumping around every where breaking walls and windows.

And can you imagine multi player, that will be carnage. But that won't happen because Sony and Microsoft are making a serious effort to isolate us all. I mean every game now only has online multi player, you can't play with your mates in the one place.

Also you would have to stand up the whole time when playing a first person shooter or role play game. These games demand serious time investment to get the most fun out of them and I don't and can't stand up straight for hours.

Quirk

I remember on one of the Time crisis games on Psone, my brother got a handgun controller, it was shaped exactly like a normal handgun except plastic. The trigger to shoot (duh) and two buttons up the front, one of either side of the barrel, one to reload and the other to find cover. It was great just point it at the screen and the crosshairs would follow. That to is dead, sigh.
I still got it, but sadly not the time crisis game, it was a burnt copy and faded away.

Ki_Blast

I think motion controls are just a fad. They'll never be the primary control scheme (aside from the Wii I mean).